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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #60 on: September 12, 2017, 05:32:20 am »

The new wall switches are a sample of what Authinx has planed for new modules, all will eventually have the new relays and AGC.

What I would like to see is a lamp module that replaces the light switch on the lamp rather than being inserted in series with it (kind of like an LM15A (Socket Rocket) with screw terminals for bare wires instead of an E26 base).  Local control could then be implemented via either a push button or as a touch lamp.  Other options could include dimable (if the heat can be safely dissipated), switched and tri-light.

Another thing I would like to see is adding a traveller wire to the inline modules for adding a local control switch.  This could then be used as a solution for those who don't have a neutral wire in their switch box by using a companion switch with it (the second blue wire on the companion switch isn't really necessary as they are shorted together, it just make wiring easier in various 3-way applications).  It could also be used inside lamps and appliances that have different types of switches:

(X10 could either sell momentary versions of them or just update the firmware to toggle when the switch changes state to allow the use of the existing switch).  This would mean turning the appliance off locally wouldn't disable remote control as the local switch would directly turn the module on and off.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #61 on: September 12, 2017, 06:43:32 am »

There is already a dimmable wire in module  xpdf  and a none dimmable XPFM.
However until more miniaturization happens these won't fit in most lamps.
Most purchasers are looking for plug and play so I suspect these will be last on Authinx's to do list.
I'm told there are lots of new modules planned but the Wi-Fi module (hub) development is holding everything up. ??? ::) :`)
I've not been given any details as to what these may be. ???
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #62 on: September 12, 2017, 07:37:59 am »

There is already a dimmable wire in module  xpdf  and a none dimmable XPFM.

Yes.  I implied that.   My suggesting is adding a traveller wire to them to allow them to be controlled by a companion switch (cheaper and more reliable than an X10 wall transmitter).

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However until more miniaturization happens these won't fit in most lamps.

True, which is why a wired-in variant of the socket rocket I suggested would be more useful for most lamps.

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Most purchasers are looking for plug and play so I suspect these will be last on Authinx's to do list.

So why do they sell wall switch modules and why were they the first to be upgraded?  They aren't plug and play.  If you can change a wall switch you can change a lamp socket or install an inline module.

I would argue most users want improved WAF more than anything else.  The kludgey implementation of  local control of lamp and appliance modules is a huge WAF limitation.  The leakage current needed for the local control method currently used is also problematic with many CFL and LED bulbs.  By adding a local switch, they can eliminate the leakage current and make the module as reliable as the XPS4 and WS469.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #63 on: September 12, 2017, 11:44:25 am »

Wall switches were the first to be upgraded as they ran out of stock of those items (so I'm told). ??? ::)

True the WAF is what most current users wish to improve. Maybe some of (hopefully all of) the new module ideas Authinx has in mind do this.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2017, 11:13:22 am »

The App developer finally got a new version put together `:) ~:0~
 Unfortunately this time they created it for IOS not Android like previous builds. ??? ::) :`)
 So I can't even look at it. (maybe if I have someone over with a iPhone I can get a glimpse) (CZB)

I'm told the model # for the Hub will be WM100
Name will most likely be "X10 Wi-Fi Module"
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2017, 02:19:03 am »

Thank you for the updates as things so slowly progress.
I am not too surprised the latest app was IOS.
Seems many developers-manufacturers do IOS first. Then maybe Android at a later date.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2017, 05:34:01 am »

Well I'm very surprised of the IOS app as all previous build were Android.
With some limited access to the developers site I've been able to discover that Dusk dawn settings have been added to timers.
There is also a mention of security being added but not sure if that is app security or the X10 security devices.
I don't see mention of macros being added or extended code though I was assured these would be there.
IOS App size is currently 17.2 meg
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2017, 09:01:52 am »

I've just been informed a new Wi-Fi module is headed my way! `:) ~:0~
Maybe a Release Candidate? ???
I had my hands on a iPhone yesterday and attempted to download and install the new app (Just to get a peak at it) Unfortunately the install failed as did several other attempts. (cB)

I've been told an Android version of the app is being fast tracked for me to test.  :0~
I was told to expect it by Friday not sure if that is the app, hardware or both. ???
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2017, 06:51:37 am »

Update:
The module arrived yesterday in a large box with lots of bubble wrap.
Clearly Authinx wants to be 100% sure any hardware issues are not due to shipping.
I've been informed an Android version of the app will be ready for me by Friday. ~:0~
Hopefully I don't discover any major issues. However I was asked to explain why I thought there was a need for light types, so I suspect extended commands for softstart lights isn't coded in. This would prevent turning lights on to the last brightness level. :(
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2017, 06:54:05 am »

There is also a mention of security being added but not sure if that is app security or the X10 security devices.

My guess is a "security" checkbox for timers that will randomize when it triggers +/- 30 minutes.  Even my 1980's era timer had that feature.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2017, 07:59:16 am »

Yes, I never thought of that. (CZB)
That most likely is what it is since RF would be needed for x10 security devices.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2017, 09:15:54 am »

Today I fired up the new module and attempted to connect via the old app.
Unfortunately this failed to connect.
I've been informed this is due to some of the upgrades I had asked for like being firmware upgradeable.
I asked if this unit was hand assembled or a production run and told hand assembled.
However being firmware upgradable should mean the hardware doesn't have to change if a issue is discovered. ??? ::) :`)
Since I can't yet test this without the app I've asked for issues their in house tests have uncovered so far. This will give me an idea as to how close this is to an actual release. As well I can be sure these don't exist in the Android version.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #72 on: November 03, 2017, 07:29:47 am »

Well looks like another delay with the Android app. (cB)  (DH)
I suspect this is due to bugs found in the iOS build.
I'm told maybe next week, however with the speed the developer has added things in the pasted I'm expecting it to take longer. :( ::) :`)
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2017, 08:37:59 am »

I have an iPhone.  I wish I could get my hands on one of these to Beta Test.
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Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2017, 09:12:11 am »

I had access to an iPhone last week end and attempted to download the app in hopes to get a sneak peek.
However due to how iOS handles installs not from the app store (beta testing) the UDID of the device is required to be coded into the test installer. ( or so I've read)(cB)
I have someone coming again next week with an iPhone so maybe if I don't have an android build I can try and get the iOS build again. Provided I can get the UDID to the developer prior so it can be added.
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