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Title: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 19, 2013, 08:02:37 am
I've also started a thread on the X10 forums (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.msg160256#msg160256)as the owner has requested some input for this.
this unit is in the initial build stage so some things we are concerned with may not be able to be added As it would delay the release.
It is a shame  users were asked for input sooner  (cB) but at least they are asking `:)

I haven't been able to learn much about this unit other then it looks like it will do PLC so a transceiver is going to be needed for RF::) :`)
This may be changed if enough users express the need for RF
Hopefully most of our wishes can be implemented.
 (Chr)


Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 20, 2013, 05:04:30 am
I guess there isn't much excitement for this module ???
I had expected more users to comment about the questions I posted or add others.
This module has so much potential but with out user input it is likely to be a dumb controller (cB)
The owner has stated he will submit questions and suggestions to the manufacture next week.
If it looks like I'm the only one with interest I'm unsure that will even happen. (cB)

I had suggested a contest for naming the new unit and the owner is looking for short suggestions.
Is there a (secret) contest for the best name?
Humm ::) :`) I hope so cause I'm the only one (so Far) with suggestions submitted  (RoFL)
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Hawk1 on December 20, 2013, 06:17:10 am
I am very interested, but over at the x10 forums you about covered every question I could think of.

Except maybe:  I know you had on there about a cat5 connection.  That would be great to control it from any computer in your network.

 (CZB)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 20, 2013, 06:22:59 am
Although my post covers most users concerns a simple post stating that with maybe some reason for wishing this helps the owner see there is interest.
I have expressed there was lots of interest but the lack of replies to the thread (which he is watching) shows other wise. ;>
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: bcwmachine on December 20, 2013, 06:56:18 am
I would guess that there are many people like me who were/are watching from the sidelines to see what happens.
Right now I am reluctant to change anything on my cm15a as I would have to use the Marmitek version of ahp
since I lost my wti ahp in a disk crash.
Bruce
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 20, 2013, 09:38:17 am
It doesn't appear this is slated to replace the CM15 or AHP as there currently is only PLC programed in I'm told.
It also sounds like it only sends out PLC once a Wi-Fi signal is received  :(
Both these could change with enough demand I think. :`)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 21, 2013, 06:51:25 am
My original list of questions was much smaller.
The owner did pass these on to the manufacture but their response was wanting to know why?
They may be regretting asking for more  (RoFL)
I can think of over a dozen more questions then that which have been mentioned, but these really aren't important as firmware upgrades can add the functions.
Also some things can be done as long as others questioned about are in place.
I'd also like to know dimensions, if it has a power cord or plugs directly in, but that is some thing that won't affect it's operation.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Dave X10 on December 23, 2013, 10:03:44 pm
..... I haven't been able to learn much about this unit other then it looks like it will do PLC so a transceiver is going to be needed for RF

Maybe I've been away from the forums too long.... but how do you transceiver a PowerLine Command? If the new module was only sending RF... then you could use a transceiver to convert the RF to PLC. But the only way I know to convert PLC to RF is with a CM15A and a software product (I can use BVC to listen for PLC and respond with RF).

The really crappy thing about not sending an RF... is no matter how great the unit/module is... it will be limited to ONLY X10 and only the PLC side of X10. IF... they would of had the insight to send RF they could have also allowed the sending of INSTESON RF. And even the RF used by products like the power-mid (all the IR sending devises use the same RF). This would have been useful for lots of electronic stuff and some of the new automated door locks as well.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on December 24, 2013, 05:52:19 am
..... I haven't been able to learn much about this unit other then it looks like it will do PLC so a transceiver is going to be needed for RF

Maybe I've been away from the forums too long.... but how do you transceiver a PowerLine Command? If the new module was only sending RF... then you could use a transceiver to convert the RF to PLC. But the only way I know to convert PLC to RF is with a CM15A and a software product (I can use BVC to listen for PLC and respond with RF).

The really crappy thing about not sending an RF... is no matter how great the unit/module is... it will be limited to ONLY X10 and only the PLC side of X10. IF... they would of had the insight to send RF they could have also allowed the sending of INSTESON RF. And even the RF used by products like the power-mid (all the IR sending devises use the same RF). This would have been useful for lots of electronic stuff and some of the new automated door locks as well.

True currently the only way to covert PLC to RF is with a CM15 that I know of
 I'm not sure if  INSTESON  has something similar
The logic can be stored on a cm15 using AHP and a macro

 This Wi-Fi I'm told currently isn't able to send RF, since some things only listen for RF a cm15 is needed.
I'm told the RF ability might be there for this unit it just won't initially be available.
This may change since it sounds like it is only a firmware upgrade thing ;>
I doubt sending RF to non x10 devices will ever be come a reality but it would be nice
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Brian H on December 24, 2013, 07:29:39 am
The Insteon Dual Band modules can transmit and receive Insteon RF commands and send them on the power lines.

They also can send an Insteon RF command from a power line command. The 2413S or 2413U Dual Band PLMs can also send and receive power line Insteon and X10 commands and Insteon only RF commands. From a microcontroller or computer program.

Even though most Insteon Devices are also X10 compatible {slowly being dropped from latest devices} . The Dual Band device will not bridge phases for X10 or resend X10 signals. X10 is 310MHz. Insteon is 915MHz.

Smartenit Inc. Makes an EZX10RF module. That transceive all 256 X10 Addresses and can map X10 addresses to Insteon commands. Not sure how many mapping addresses are avilable. X10 addresses can be disabled if you don't want to transceive them.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on February 09, 2014, 09:43:48 am
Seems Marmitec (European X10) already has a WIFI x10 device.
To bad it sends RF and not PLC
http://www.marmitek.com/en/product-details/home-automation-security/x-10-home-automation/transmitters-and-controllers/tip10rf.php
I wonder if this is similar to what Authinx only with PLC ??? ::) :`)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on March 26, 2014, 03:37:18 pm
Sounds like the major internal mechanical work is done on this.
A outer shell design is in the making and production is currently on track! `:)
I have my name on a prototype so once I get my hands on one I'll post my findings.
The manufacture is a bit tight lipped on specs so details of exactly what is possible is unknown.
However I'm told no PC is required. ;>
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on April 14, 2014, 08:40:12 am
A proto type (WIFI2X10) is in route to Authinx so they should be able to start testing by next week.
I was able to get so additional info on this unit which I posted on the X10 forum (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.msg161121#msg161121)
Since they plan on putting this in a case that they already have tooling for it should help keep the price down.
It sounds like a App is already been created for this, however I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on April 22, 2014, 06:37:00 am
The proto type arrived at Authinx and I'm told it does work.
However it doesn't live up to Authinix standards :( (this is usually the case for first proto build)
Although I did post this info on the X10 forum  (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.msg161198#msg161198) I have asked for additional info.
I also am on the list for getting one of these units once they get closer to a production build.
(it isn't cost effective to create more then one proto type until mass production is closer)
They may experiment with different cases with the proto builds though they will be ones they already have molds for.
I had suggested if they go with the cm15a case they change the color to black.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on May 24, 2014, 03:01:24 am
The latest news on this is they're now working on the software.
Originally this was to be a case similar to the cm15 then changed to me more like the RR501.
I suspect a new prototype will be sent to Authinx in the next week or 2.
Once the software is ready we may see a short beta test at which time I should be able to get my hands on one  :0~

Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on July 02, 2014, 12:50:38 pm
Looks like a bit of a hold up with this being release soon.
The developer working on the software interface has been replaced, the quality and performance wasn't up to pare.
Also some new Wi-Fi hardware modifications were added to improve reliability.
They are now looking at the end of July for a new prototype.

X10 wants this to be a quality unit and has expressed this to the manufacturer.
The manufacturer agreed and has also stated the unit can be made better.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 03, 2014, 11:15:50 am
As posted n the X10 forums http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=28628.msg161719#msg161719
the Wi-Fi unit is getting a few more hardware enhancements and the software is ready.
Users should note this is a New hardware device older X10 software will not work directly with it.
The new x10 (Authinx) isn't looking at making the software x10 server reliable like AHP but any device capable of internet access will be able to access it's software .
I haven't seen the software or a prototype yet but as soon as I do users here will be the first to hear about it. ;>
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 27, 2014, 05:04:03 am
A fully functional test unit is suppose to be done however this unit still hasn't been received by X10 ::) :`)
The owner of X10 is just as frustrated as the rest of us at the slow progress of this units development.
At this rate we'll be lucky to see this ready for market by Christmas. (cB) ::) :`)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 10, 2014, 01:19:50 pm
I've just been told X10 has the software for the unit and they should have a unit in a week or 2. ::) :`)
I'm not sure if this is the one they have been waiting on or a replacement, ::) :`)
I'll follow up in a couple of weeks.
I really want one of these bad boys! ;>
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Athlon on September 22, 2014, 05:35:51 am
You can add me to the list of people who is very interested in adding wifi control to my setup!

I'm glad to have found this forum....
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 22, 2014, 10:51:46 am
Latest news on this is the hardware is working correctly and X10 is satisfied with the mechanics of the unit. `:)
However the software isn't up to snuff. (cB)
I'm told the current software isn't very user friendly so they have told the manufacture to improve this.
The manufacture isn't willing to share the software code presently so we must wait for them to get it right before X10 offers it to us the public.
I have asked for some more info on the software but since it isn't even close to being a release version it wouldn't be of much use x10 feels.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on November 22, 2014, 06:34:01 pm
Looks like this won't be ready for Christmas (cB)
The manufacture seems to think quality of products that was good enough for the old X10 is sufficient (this isn't so).
The owner is to fly to china  next month to address this issue first hand.
Another developer is now working on the software for this thing. if the manufacture would share the protocol Authinx (the new x10) could release this with just that allowing others to create the software.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: stefbois on December 28, 2014, 09:24:19 am
I've being away from x10 for while but was impress with new wifi device out here http://www.haibrain.com/haibrain-previously-marmitek-transmitters-en-controllers-c-131_49_51.html?osCsid=ke1sj77ap739fkfipbbr54uh17.

Would need few mod for the 120v some idea start going on!
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: edjal on January 01, 2015, 08:06:20 am
WiFi control of X10 sounds exciting I'll be looking forward to its inception.             Edjal
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on January 06, 2015, 06:35:58 am
Many had hoped we would have seen a release of this by now.
It seems quality is the main issue and it seems to be the software side of this.
Quality was the big reason the owner went to China in Dec.
Hopefully manufacturing sees producing junk isn't going to cut it.
It is sad manufacturing insists on doing the software as these aren't programmers they are engineers.
 (CZB)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on March 17, 2015, 11:38:42 am
After two failed attempts at getting the software right for this it seems the Android version of this is in the final phase.
From my correspondence with X10 it looks like this maybe a replacement for the Cm15a.
It sounds like there will be room for timers and macros to be stored in the unit like the CM15.
A new hardware proto type is set to arrive at X10 by the end of the month and testing with the new software to start In April.
They are looking at production to start this summer  ??? ::) :`) so this may mean they're thinking of a few months of beta testing.
However no word or confirmation of that.
I've been promised some screen shots once software is up to pare and will post them here along with any pics I may get of the unit.
 (Chr)
 
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on April 27, 2015, 09:36:17 am
Here's the latest, though not too the best news.
The new proto type Wi-Fi module is still in route from china.
This new build also meant a new software build.(#4)
This Module will not have X10 RF capabilities! (cB)
However a future model may have it.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on June 30, 2015, 07:40:30 am
I just receive a progress update.
The  latest build has been running without issue and a lot of changes have been made over the last 6 weeks.( no details as to what they were)
Developers are still enhancing the software currently working on the macro feature.
They are looking for feed back on that. ( This sounds like it is in some sort of Alfa/beta testing phase) ::) :`)
Once the software is complete they will create a iOS version, which isn't expected to take long.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on July 24, 2015, 05:36:32 am
I've just received notice a unit is to be sent to me shortly.  ~:0~ :0~
I'll be chatting with the owner about this unit in the next few days as well so I should have some concrete info shortly.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on July 28, 2015, 07:57:17 am
I just finished a Skype chat with the owner about this product and others to come.
The hold up with releasing these to the market is Authinx's quality standard and convincing the China manufacture that Better doesn't mean cheaper.
That point seems to have finally gotten across.  `:)
Currently I'm told there are only Two of these working units which they have been testing internally.
I'm to be sent one of these for real world testing along with the android app.
Baring any major issues these could go into production as a first version.
They are already looking at a second version which will connect directly to ones router for better reliability.
The software should remain the same for both versions.
As soon as I have the app I'll see about posting some screen shots.
Once I have the unit and given it a good run I'll post a review (new thread)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 06, 2015, 01:30:45 pm
I've downloaded the app and even though I don't yet have the module I setup some devices and rooms.
Scenes require the module to setup.
The app is very simple how well it performs is yet to be discovered.
The App doesn't have an official name yet however I'm told it will be ActiveHome related.
It appears the port on the device is fixed however I've received conflicting info as to if this will be changeable with the release version.
I've managed to take some screen shots of the app and will post each in a separate post so I can comment on all the buttons and options for each screen.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 06, 2015, 02:00:35 pm
Main Screen:
Clicking on devices will bring up all devices and the option to create new devices.
Clicking on rooms will bring up all rooms created and allow you to create more.
Clicking on scenes should bring up all scenes However with out the module I can't be sure.
The red dot at the bottom indicates connection
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 06, 2015, 02:12:43 pm
Devices:
you can toggle to rooms scenes and setup with the buttons at the top.
the blank space beside ALL ON and ALL OFF allows you to type in the device if your list is long
I've added a few devices so I'm ready when the module arrives.
Add device will bring up the screen for adding a device
Note: red dot indicates no connection, this displays on all screens.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 06, 2015, 02:39:15 pm
Device Setup Screen:
this can only be accessed from the device Screen
back button returns you to the device screen.
Save button saves the device
You enter the device name in the blank box
Spin the code wheels to the house code and device code for the module.
Select yes or no button for if it is a light, selecting yes will ask the additional question if it is dimmable.
the add timer button should bring up a timer setup however the module is required for this so I can't currently display this screen.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 10, 2015, 04:28:31 am
Rooms:
when you first click on the rooms button you get a setup screen which you basically add a name for the room and click save.
clicking on the room will bring up a screen allowing you to add rooms you previously created.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 10, 2015, 04:43:02 am
Inside Room:
Clicking on a particular room you created will bring up this screen.
From here you can add devices (previously created) and control them (provided you are connected)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 14, 2015, 01:00:47 pm
I received the Wi-Fi test unit today and was going to post a few snap shots.
However note: this uses a prototype RR501 RF case and there are some things which will change.
I'm told the code wheel will be removed and I presume some of the text on the case will be too.
The pass threw outlet I assume will stay as it does work.
There is a led light which turns blue once it has connected to your router. This is located where the 1- 9 switch would be
I'll comment more on the workings and its operation in a review thread on the X10 forum but for now here is a teaser:
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 20, 2015, 06:46:17 am
I've been asked to hold off on posting a review of this unit on the X10 forums until a production unit is actually ready. This seems fair enough as Issues I find should not be present in the final build.

I can say I've been running some extensive tests here and the unit its self is performing very well.
The software however needs a lot of work. This is something that shouldn't hold up production.
I've forwarded my findings to another tester ( a X10 staff member) and most of these were verified.
Currently getting the unit to connect to ones router requires an Android device running the software. I'm told a iOS version is coming however I can't test such a thing. I suspect it will look, feel and perform the same.
The unit currently will work with only one Android device at a time, I'm told this will change for the release version.
I think this limitation was added as a security feature as the device pairs to the unit like BT devices so this may involve a hardware change.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 08, 2015, 09:35:48 am
Some interesting findings using a XTMB-Pro X10 signal analyzer:
As posted on the X10 forum in a much more detailed post. (http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29240.msg164215#msg164215)
1: The unit trancieves RF and sends them PLC
2: The unit works well in a noisy environment
3: The unit sends a stronger PLC signal then my old CM15
It should be noted the cm15 is one of the original releases so age may be a factor.

The fact that the unit also sees and transceives RF opens up a lot of possibilities which normally wouldn't be possible. `:) ~:0~
There now is a vast number of possibilities for the App though I don't expect all to be implemented for the products initial release.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 20, 2015, 04:54:24 am
My list of findings with the software/hardware have been submitted to the engineers.
I asked when a new software version may be ready and was told 3 to 6 weeks. ??? ::) :`)
The list was rather extensive for software issues but I hope it doesn't take that long.
I don't expect everything to be ready with the next SW build as it will most likely bring to light other issues. I hope I'm wrong! ;>

 
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on October 20, 2015, 08:59:27 am
I'm told the production version of this is close.
The sad thing is it appears there will be no RF as they have removed the antenna and code wheel. (cB)
It appears the test models used a PAT03 case added a Wi-Fi board and didn't remove the RF.
This caused the confusion.
The developer is still working on a new software version and has asked for graphics to add.
I'm unsure if I'll receive one of these production units to test prior or even if the prototype will work 100% with the new software. ::) :`)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on November 11, 2015, 10:47:15 am
The module (Hardware) is in production I'm told.
The Android App is also finish which I received today. So I'll see if it is up to pare.
So far I'm a bit confused with the scenes as they don't appear to work the same as AHP Macros.
The prototype has some hardware limitations as well which may affect what works or doesn't (CZB)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on November 13, 2015, 11:10:48 am
I'm impressed with the Power of the Scene option though confusing to setup.
I can see this generating a number of questions when the unit first hits the market. ??? ::) :`)

I'm told a new developer has been hired on to improve the software which Authinx (not the manufacturer) is looking after.
Authinx could hold off releasing this until a new version of the software was created but they feel everyone has waited long enough.
The unit does work as originally designed and software improvements would be needed regardless as users uncovered bugs.

I'm told the owner plans to fly in an initial shipment of these to hopefully be available for Christmas.
Shipping by boat would mean nothing till most likely the new year.
Keep an eye on the X10 sales site for these as I expect the initial shipment to sell out quickly.
If you'd like a deal on one see this: http://forums.x10.com/index.php?topic=29322.0
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on November 19, 2015, 11:10:29 am
I expect the initial price of these to be high in order to cover some of the development and tooling costs.
Although the initial price has not been calculated yet I'm assured they will be under $100.
Given no RF and not a two way PLC unit I'm hoping under $50 ;>
The owner is frustrated that this unit isn't 100% what he had envisioned, however now they can start working on improving it. Kind of like the cm11 and cm15 is what I like to think.

Since I have a first version prototype which has limited RF I know the next version will have it for sure. I'd like to see it placed in a CM15 case expanding on the cm15a's abilities which is what we had all hoped for in this version.
 (Chr)



 
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on January 04, 2016, 11:50:58 am
I just recieved a Progress update on this unit.
Seems the manufacture failed to secure the required chip for production and the chip was discontinued >:(
Rather then build a few hundred obsolet units prodution has been put on hold until a new chip is secured.
The Authinx Owner is fuming as they were hoping for a late 2015 or early 2016 release.
This has pushed the release date back till at least March now. (cB)
The Good news is TI the chip manufacture is working with Authinx creating a new chip which Authinx says will provid options the old chip couldn't.
It means Authinx can fast track to version 2 of the Wifi unit and that will be the released version.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on February 02, 2016, 10:48:24 am
Word is the iOS app is almost done for this and should be ready for the initial release set for March 2016.
Progress is comming along with programing the new chip though not completed as yet.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on March 18, 2016, 10:45:18 am
The new chip has been completed!
However the new chip required some hardware modifications be made to the unit which have been completed.
A unit I'm told has been sent to the software developer so required code changes can be made and tested.
Authinx doesn't expect a test unit until end of March or first week of April.
So it will be at least 2nd week of April 2016 before we're likely to see anything official about the module.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on April 20, 2016, 11:24:10 am
Update:
It appears the hardware and new TI chip are living up to expectations.
The new chip allows multi device connections (something the old chip didn't).
Currently there is a software issue with synchronization and multi devices.
it is hoped this issue can be worked out by next week. ::) :`).
Word is a $15 discount will be initially offered to  X10 forum members that have their name on one.
Still I don't expect to see this before mid May.
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on June 28, 2016, 12:24:49 pm
Well here we are end of June and still no word on a release date. (DH)
I have been trying to contact the owner since the first and found out he was out of the country till the 27th.
Not sure if it was module production related but it sure looks that way.
Hopefully I'll hear something before the end of this week.
If I didn't have a 1st generation prototype I'd think this was pie in the sky. ??? ::) :`)
Speaking of this it has been running smooth unless power is lost to my router and not it.
I'm told that issue has been addressed.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on June 29, 2016, 09:46:59 am
Some Sad news!
Seems there has been a bit of a setback.
The latest test module Authinx received had major connection issue which the manufacture says they can't recreate.
Authinx has got some engineers looking into the issue but there is idea how long this will take to root out.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on August 24, 2016, 08:16:38 am
I haven't forgotten about this!
I've been pressuring the owner for updates on this almost weekly and I'm sure he is getting tired of me pestering him on this.
I'm told they'll have some news by ends week. Sure hope it is good news and not just that they are still attempting to locate the problem. ::) :`)
 (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on June 15, 2017, 11:31:25 am
It has been a while since updating this, but the news hasn't been promising till now.
Authinx has gone through a couple of proto type builds and finally has one that is staying connected(at least in their trials)
There are a few Software tweaks that still need to be worked out however that is the case with all things new. Since the current build they have was hand produced they are trying to get another one created to compare results.
 (Chr)


Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 07, 2017, 10:00:44 am
I've been pressing the Authinx owner to get the manufacture to release the protocol (Wi-Fi get/post calls) this would allow some basic on/off/dim control via a PC.
It would also allow me to integrate with Alexa via HA-Bridge.
I keep being told it should be coming shortly.  (DH)
I've been informed the manufacture will not be supplying a SDK due to arrangements it made with the APP developer. Seems it would be far to costly. ??? ::) :`)
Apparently the same developer that created the Wijit app is working on the X10 hub app :(
I've now seen both and although the x10 app is better there are still to many similarities for my liking. Both need a lot of work!
 (CZB)
Some good news though the hardware works well with the sub par App, though it is bringing to light questions of what all the hardware is and isn't capable of.
 ??? ::) :`)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: roger1818 on September 07, 2017, 11:15:25 am
I've been pressing the Authinx owner to get the manufacture to release the protocol (Wi-Fi get/post calls) this would allow some basic on/off/dim control via a PC.

Will it be publicly released so that anyone can play with it, or will you get it privately?  I would love to do some playing with it.

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I've been informed the manufacture will not be supplying a SDK due to arrangements it made with the APP developer.

Not a big deal as long as they release the protocol.  An SDK is typically platform dependant, so providing one has limited benefit.

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it is bringing to light questions of what all the hardware is and isn't capable of.

While you may not be able to know what the hardware isn't capable of, what do you know it definitely is capable of?  Obviously it is capable of basic on/off/dim control, but do you know if there are any timer or macro capabilities (even if limited)?  Extended commands?  Do you know yet if it uses powerline or RF?  My hope is for the former (the latter doesn't support extended commands for one thing and it adds and extra device in the chain, reducing reliablility).
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 07, 2017, 01:43:29 pm
I'm unsure if even Authinx will see the protocol.
The protocol and SDK realy isn't that big of deal. there are tools like WireShark that will sniff out wi-fi packets sent to and from specific IP addresses. I'm hoping they release the protocol publicly to avoid having to do that. however if so it won't be untill the unit is on sale.

Here is what I know the hub is currently capable of.
it is a wi-fi to x10 PLC there is no RF.
It sends on/off/dim/bright with no sign of any thing else
There are scenes with option to add delays in 1 min increments up to 59 mins so sort of a basic macro but must be triggered from the app. I don't know the maximum run time of these scenes.
More then one device can connect at the same time and changing a devices state on one device updates the status on the others.
I'm told another version of the app is in the works with bug fixes Authinx discovered.
Hopefully the new version will give more insight into what the device can do.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: petediscrete on September 09, 2017, 04:07:12 pm
I'm assuming you haven't seen a US version of the TIP10RF. I'm using the European version and it does everything this proposed unit does and more. If Authinx delays any further they can kiss goodbye to their business model.

You've been filling a gap left by the demise of AHP and you're doing a fantastic job. Your Alex10 contribution has managed to keep the interest in x10 alive but Authinx need to start producing the goods and quickly.

For what it's worth, if I was you I'd step back a little from these guys and start looking a little closer at what you could produce in the Linux world. Most of what you've produced could probably be ported to a new platform and with the rapid development in Mono I imagine you could be up and running quite quickly.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 10, 2017, 04:09:10 am
Thanks for the vote of confidence petediscrete.
The TIP10RF is a totally different animal then what Authinx has been working on.
It is Wi-Fi to x10 RF what Authinx's x10 hub does is Wi-Fi- to PLC no need for a transceiver.
I currently use a inexpensive Broadlink RF Pro  (https://www.amazon.ca/Broadlink-Pro-Automation-Compatible-Smartphones/dp/B01GKY27B4/ref=pd_sim_107_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F8EJ7C4C90F0DSH70ANW)for Wi-Fi to X10 which is a universal Wi-Fi  to RF or IR, and superior to the TIP10RF.
There also is an Alexa skill for it though that currently only works for entertainment (IR)devices.

The current hub Authinx is working on will be their low end hub.
They are planning another version (pro) which will replace the cm15 doing both RF and PLC.
This version was decided on to work out bugs paving the way for the advanced version as RF isn't as difficult to create.

I may have a look at Mono though I'm getting a bit to old to learn a new programming language. (Chr)
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: petediscrete on September 11, 2017, 04:29:46 pm
Thanks for the vote of confidence petediscrete.
The TIP10RF is a totally different animal then what Authinx has been working on.
It is Wi-Fi to x10 RF what Authinx's x10 hub does is Wi-Fi- to PLC no need for a transceiver.
I currently use a inexpensive Broadlink RF Pro  (https://www.amazon.ca/Broadlink-Pro-Automation-Compatible-Smartphones/dp/B01GKY27B4/ref=pd_sim_107_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F8EJ7C4C90F0DSH70ANW)for Wi-Fi to X10 which is a universal Wi-Fi  to RF or IR, and superior to the TIP10RF.
There also is an Alexa skill for it though that currently only works for entertainment (IR)devices.

The current hub Authinx is working on will be their low end hub.
They are planning another version (pro) which will replace the cm15 doing both RF and PLC.
This version was decided on to work out bugs paving the way for the advanced version as RF isn't as difficult to create.

I may have a look at Mono though I'm getting a bit to old to learn a new programming language. (Chr)

Came across this device to. Looks like it would PLC if the house had a transceiver installed. Cheap enough too.

https://www.uk-automation.co.uk/cm19-x10-usb-transceiver-rf-transmitter-receiver/

I'm just wondering what new products Authinx have introduced since they took the reigns. I'm assuming there's been no further made on AHP either. I wonder if they have any other application in mind. Time is moving on and I fear so is their customer base.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Brian H on September 12, 2017, 02:16:18 am
The CM19E you linked to is the European version of our CM19A. Using the European RF frequency that are different from ours.

There is now a WS469 push button relay wall switch with a more quiet relay.
XPS4 replacing the XPS3. Has a more quiet relay and AGC.
SR751 X10 RF repeater that is much improved over the older X10 RF Repeater.
PLC01 plug in module X10 power line signal repeater.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 12, 2017, 03:03:02 am
I've tested the new and improved modules Authinx released which Brian listed.
All are far better then the old X10 modules they replaced.
Authinx decided to deal with existing users issues like RF range and PLC so older modules operation life could be extended first.
Many didn't wish to replace their existing modules with all new ones.
The repeaters help with that.
The new wall switches are a sample of what Authinx has planed for new modules, all will eventually have the new relays and AGC.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: roger1818 on September 12, 2017, 05:32:20 am
The new wall switches are a sample of what Authinx has planed for new modules, all will eventually have the new relays and AGC.

What I would like to see is a lamp module that replaces the light switch on the lamp rather than being inserted in series with it (kind of like an LM15A (Socket Rocket) with screw terminals for bare wires instead of an E26 base).  Local control could then be implemented via either a push button or as a touch lamp.  Other options could include dimable (if the heat can be safely dissipated), switched and tri-light.

Another thing I would like to see is adding a traveller wire to the inline modules for adding a local control switch.  This could then be used as a solution for those who don't have a neutral wire in their switch box by using a companion switch with it (the second blue wire on the companion switch isn't really necessary as they are shorted together, it just make wiring easier in various 3-way applications).  It could also be used inside lamps and appliances that have different types of switches:
(http://www.camewatchus.org/upload/2017/08/12/lamp-switch-repair-lamp-switches-l-e8f4268bc96dd441.jpg)
(X10 could either sell momentary versions of them or just update the firmware to toggle when the switch changes state to allow the use of the existing switch).  This would mean turning the appliance off locally wouldn't disable remote control as the local switch would directly turn the module on and off.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 12, 2017, 06:43:32 am
There is already a dimmable wire in module  xpdf (https://www.x10.com/xpdf-inline-dimmable-receiver-module.html)  and a none dimmable XPFM (https://www.x10.com/xpfm.html).
However until more miniaturization happens these won't fit in most lamps.
Most purchasers are looking for plug and play so I suspect these will be last on Authinx's to do list.
I'm told there are lots of new modules planned but the Wi-Fi module (hub) development is holding everything up. ??? ::) :`)
I've not been given any details as to what these may be. ???
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: roger1818 on September 12, 2017, 07:37:59 am
There is already a dimmable wire in module  xpdf (https://www.x10.com/xpdf-inline-dimmable-receiver-module.html)  and a none dimmable XPFM (https://www.x10.com/xpfm.html).

Yes.  I implied that.   My suggesting is adding a traveller wire to them to allow them to be controlled by a companion switch (cheaper and more reliable than an X10 wall transmitter).

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However until more miniaturization happens these won't fit in most lamps.

True, which is why a wired-in variant of the socket rocket I suggested would be more useful for most lamps.

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Most purchasers are looking for plug and play so I suspect these will be last on Authinx's to do list.

So why do they sell wall switch modules and why were they the first to be upgraded?  They aren't plug and play.  If you can change a wall switch you can change a lamp socket or install an inline module.

I would argue most users want improved WAF more than anything else.  The kludgey implementation of  local control of lamp and appliance modules is a huge WAF limitation.  The leakage current needed for the local control method currently used is also problematic with many CFL and LED bulbs.  By adding a local switch, they can eliminate the leakage current and make the module as reliable as the XPS4 and WS469.
Title: Re: New X10 Wi-Fi Unit
Post by: Tuicemen on September 12, 2017, 11:44:25 am
Wall switches were the first to be upgraded as they ran out of stock of those items (so I'm told). ??? ::)

True the WAF is what most current users wish to improve. Maybe some of (hopefully all of) the new module ideas Authinx has in mind do this.